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b'We\\u2019re joined by Ben Tarnoff\\u2014author of Internet for the People; co-founder of Logic Magazine\\u2014to do some historical materialism on the internet. Ben has a great new book coming out that traces the political economic development of the internet, from its origins as a military network to its privatization via wholesale handover to a telecom oligopoly to its existence today as an archipelago of shopping malls run by slumlords. We then discuss why there\\u2019s an urgent need for democratizing and demarketizing the internet, what that could look like, and how the seeds of that radical change can already be found in existing projects.\\n\\n\\u2022\\u2022\\u2022 Order Ben\\u2019s book: https://www.versobooks.com/books/3927-internet-for-the-people\\n\\u2022\\u2022\\u2022 Follow Ben: https://twitter.com/bentarnoff\\n\\u2022\\u2022\\u2022 Read Logic Magazine: https://logicmag.io/\\n\\nSubscribe to hear more analysis and commentary in our premium episodes every week! patreon.com/thismachinekills \\n\\nGrab fresh new TMK gear: bonfire.com/store/this-machine-kills-podcast/ \\n\\nHosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)'