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b'We pick up on part two of our discussion with Nick Chavez, focusing on the possibilities and limitations of reengineering capitalist forces of production for communist social relations. We discuss the need for epistemic luddism\\u2014or breaking the way we understand and use technologies\\u2014and why militancy at points of production is absolutely crucial. What comes first? Which one gives us the other? Radical machines or radical society? The dialectical answer is, of course, why not both!\\n\\nSome stuff we reference:\\n\\u2022\\u2022\\u2022 The Present and Future of Engineers | Nick Chavez | Brooklyn Rail https://brooklynrail.org/2021/10/field-notes/THINKING-ABOUT-COMMUNISM \\n\\u2022\\u2022\\u2022 Error | Endnotes 5 https://endnotes.org.uk/file_hosting/EN5_Error.pdf\\n\\u2022\\u2022\\u2022 How to Make a Pencil | Aaron Benanav https://logicmag.io/commons/how-to-make-a-pencil/ \\n\\nSubscribe to hear more analysis and commentary in our premium episodes every week! patreon.com/thismachinekills \\n\\nGrab fresh new TMK gear: bonfire.com/store/this-machine-kills-podcast/ \\n\\nHosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)'